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Post by Admin on Nov 19, 2015 6:00:04 GMT -5
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Post by Admin on Nov 19, 2015 6:02:39 GMT -5
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Post by Admin on Nov 19, 2015 6:06:39 GMT -5
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Post by Admin on Nov 19, 2015 6:08:18 GMT -5
QUESTION #1: Did Jesus indicate that the first century generation that heard him speak would also witness his return?ANSWER: Mark 13: 29, 30 records the words of Jesus as being the following “ when you see these things happening, you know that it is near, right at the door. Truly I tell you, this* generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened." Clearly Jesus here is refering to a generation that witnesses a series of event ("these things"). He likened "these things" to buds on the trees that indicate that spring is near, saying "Even so, when you see all these things, you know that it [his return] is near, right at the door" (Mt 24:32). So Jesus is not necessarily refering to the first century generation but to the "generation" that witnesses specific events referre to earlier in the discussion. Furthermore, when Jesus said "YOU" he is not necessarily speaking of his first century disciples but all future disciples throughout the ages. [For example, when his disciples on an earlier occassion asked to be taught how to pray Jesus' reply "YOU must pray this way, 'Our Father, who art in Heaven...' clearly again the "YOU" was meant to encompass both those physically present with him in the first century but also future generations of disciples as well] Question #2: What are some of the "things" that Jesus listed that would indicate His (Jesus) return was near?Jesus painted a detailed picture of events which included (amongst other things) : International War, widespread famine, great earthquakes, diseases, crime, lack of love [Mt 24:6-8; Mk 13:7,8; Lk 21:9-11] and a worldwide preaching work [Mt 24:14; Mk 13:10]... Jesus likened these features to a womans labour pains that would become increasingly bad until the final events, the return of himself (Christ) in kingdom power. While some would claim that all these events happened in first century Judea, it seems reasonable at the very least to admit that the application of these features (and thus the identification of the generation Jesus was referring to ) is open to interpretation and may very well refer to a generation yet future in time. [/quote] MATTHEW 24:34 - This Generation jwitness-forum.proboards.com/post/5081/threadMATTHEW 16: 28 - Those standing here jwitness-forum.proboards.com/post/10300/threadQUESTION What generation was Jesus refering to when he said "this genration will not pass away"?
Jesus was therefore refering to the generation that witnesses "the things" he (Jesus) had been talking about previous to this statement. Some of these things were wars, famines, disease as well as a worldwide preaching work. Many of these "things" happened in the first century with the destrution of the Temple of Jérusalem in 70CE and the end of the Jewish religious system of things in God's eyes. But other features indicate the prophecy covered a second future fulfillment that would culminate in the end of the entire world system. Greek studies: Generation fosterheologicalreflections.blogspot.fr/2016/01/thayers-entry-for-genea.html
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Post by Admin on Nov 19, 2015 6:08:29 GMT -5
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Post by Admin on Mar 20, 2016 10:51:56 GMT -5
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Post by Admin on Jun 9, 2016 0:18:48 GMT -5
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Post by Admin on Jun 9, 2016 0:19:04 GMT -5
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Post by Admin on Jun 9, 2016 0:19:21 GMT -5
QUESTION: Why did Jesus speak about a "generation" not passing away if he was refering to a generation that would witness a single event?Jesus was NOT speaking about that generation witnessing a single event but a SERIES of events that would would be interlinked and stretch out (becoming increasingly worse) over a very long period of time. # QUESTION: What are the "things" that "this generation" would witness? Just prior to Jesus' series of discourse on Mt of Olives, Jesus disciples questions him. They effectively asked, not one, but THREE questions, about three different events. Masterfully Jesus answer covered all three in detail. Let us first look at the disciple's question: So Jesus' answer (found in Mt chaps 24-25, Luke 21, Mk 13) explained both what first century Christians should expect prior to the destructions of the temple (and the end of the Jewish "system of things "(The Jewish sytem of worship based on the temple in Jerusalem) [1], what later Christians would see to indicate his "presence" (greek "parousia") [2] and finally what events would happen at the conclusion of the ENTIRE WORLD "system of things" culminating in his "return" to judge the inhabitants of the earth and take control of the planet [3]. Leaving aside the 1st century aspects of his discourse [1] the answer as to why Jesus said "this generation" would not all pass away is found in understanding the nature of the Pariousia [2] and Christ return [3] THE END OF THE WORLD SYSTEM [2] [3]Jesus spoke about events that would serve as a " sign" that he (Jesus) was "present". This " presence" would not be his literal presence on earth and is not to be confused with is " return" (greek: erkhomai) to destory the entire world system (refered in scriptures as Armageddon) [3]. Rather this would be the period leading up to that climatic event. These events would not all happen at once, indeed Jesus specifically stated that those that saw the beginning of these signs should not believe that the end was imminent. He then spoke about " pangs of distress" indicating that world conditions would get progressively worse over a period of time. # How long from "the beginning of the end" to the actual end of the system?Jesus did not say, he explained it would not be possible to calcuate exactly when the end (His coming/return - erkomai) would be saying " no one knows the day or hour" (Mt 24:36). However, he did limit the period [2] to a "generation", thus showing it would not extened for many centuries or millennia but that the first "signs" would lead to the end of the world system (and his "return" in kingdom power) within a relatively short period. Further Reading m.wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/2013530#h=11www.jw.org/en/publications/books/bible-teach/are-we-living-in-the-last-days/
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Post by Admin on Jun 9, 2016 0:19:34 GMT -5
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Post by Admin on Jun 9, 2016 0:19:47 GMT -5
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