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Post by Admin on Jan 10, 2019 14:26:18 GMT -5
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Post by Admin on Jan 10, 2019 14:27:07 GMT -5
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Post by Admin on Jan 10, 2019 14:27:17 GMT -5
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Post by Admin on Jan 10, 2019 14:27:28 GMT -5
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Post by Admin on Jan 10, 2019 14:27:38 GMT -5
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Post by Admin on Jan 10, 2019 14:28:34 GMT -5
QUESTION: What did Paul mean when he refered to Jesus as the "firstborn of all creation" (Col 1:15)? Some have suggested that since the scriptures have examples of the term "firstborn" ( prototokos - πρωτοτοκος) denoting preeminence (and applied to someone that was NOT the eldest of a given group), it is contextually sound to say that Paul was did not mean Jesus was a created being. Firstly it should be pointed out that the term "firstborn" ( prototokos - πρωτοτοκος) occurs 128 times in the Septuagint and 8 times in the NT and at no time is it used to denote someone "supreme" or "preeminent" of a group he himself does NOT belong to. In other words, even if Paul *is* saying Jesus is "preeminent" he is still saying he (Jesus) is preeminent in a group he (Jesus) belonged to - in short that Jesus is the GREATEST of all the CREATED beings. WHY IS DAVID CALLED THE FIRSTBORN? “And I will make him the firstborn, the highest of the kings of the earth.” -- Psalm 89:28, This scripture is clearly not giving a new lexical meaning to prototokos but simply showing that God has the right to put David in the position a firstborn (compare 1 Chronicles 26:1-2 and 2 Chronicles 21:3). Scripturally the firstborn in a family was almost invariably given a position of preeminence but that position was not automatic. Take for example the case of Reuben, Jacob's literal first-born; he lost *pre-eminence* but he continued to be known as the "first-born" (prototokos in the Septuagint) of the family - see Gen. 49:3, 4; 1 Chronicles 5:1-3 – RSV. So Psalms is not giving a new or alternative meaning to the world "firsborn" only showing the rights and privileges ATTACHED to that position can on occassion be given (or taken away). That God declared David "firsborn" does not mean the word has two different meanings, only that God's actions have resulted in David having the same rights and privileges of someone who is the born first, even though he was in fact the youngest. Further reading examiningthetrinity.blogspot.fr/2009/10/col-115.htmlweb.archive.org/web/20031203222113/hector3000.future.easyspace.com/prototokos.htmjehovah.to/exe/discussion/prwtotokos_lexical.htm1:15 firstborn of (objections) fosterheologicalreflections.blogspot.fr/2016/11/question-from-omar-regarding-colossians.html
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Post by Admin on Jan 10, 2019 14:28:43 GMT -5
" Through him God made all things" John 1:3 (GNT) "all things were created by (dia) him" Col 1:16b (KJV) The Greek word employed both in John 1:3 and Colossians 1:16(c) is "dia" " dia" (διά). According to STRONG'S #1223 DIA is {quote} "a primary preposition denoting the channel of an act". Strong's offers a variety of prepositions such as: by, for (cause), in, of, by reason of etc. Most translations opt for "through" and "by" in Colossians and John both of which communicate the notion of intermediate agency as per the root meaning of the word. See various translations biblehub.com/john/1-3.htmbiblehub.com/colossians/1-16.htm"[Dia: διά ] may be used as a "marker of instrumentality or circumstance whereby something is accomplished or effected, by, via, through ... [it] can also be a "marker of pers. agency, through, by" - A Greek–English Lexicon of the New Testament and Other Early Christian Literature (BDAG) page 225Theologian, Emil BRUNNER suggests that if Paul had wanted to identify Jesus as the Creator in Col 1:15-17, he would have employed the Greek word hUPO (by) used metaphorically in scripture to denote an action "under the power of", in this case, the initiator (compare Matthew 1:22; Matthew 2:15), stating: "...the world, it is true, was created THROUGH--DIA--the Son, but not BY--hUPO--the Son [...] The fact that between the Creator and the Creation there stands the Mediator of creation means that the world is an act of the freedom of God, that it does not proceed from the Logos." - "The Christian Doctrine of God." (Volume I), Emil BRUNNER, p. 308 |
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Post by Admin on Jan 10, 2019 14:28:56 GMT -5
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Post by Admin on Jan 10, 2019 14:29:07 GMT -5
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Post by Admin on Jan 10, 2019 14:30:00 GMT -5
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